#224 – DIALOGUE: Can Christians be feminists? (with Timothy Gordon) by The Counsel of Trent published on 2019-10-25T20:58:14Z In this episode Trent Horn and Timothy Gordon discuss his new book “No Christian Feminism” and whether feminism is incompatible with the Christian faith. Genre Religion & Spirituality Comment by Dwooswa Tim Gordon clearly knows his stuff. He is one of the few faithful Catholics fighting for patriarchy 2024-05-11T03:47:04Z Comment by User 158189595 33-day Consecration to St.Joseph was where I Very unexpectedly received graces of understanding philosophy and peace in going from where Trent is to where Tim is at on this. Lets spend more time ascending the levels of prayer (teresa of Avila) 2022-08-14T06:06:02Z Comment by Westin Basinger I agree with Tim on this but I just think it would be darn near impossible to progress back to the way things were. I also find I need to look up many of the words being used. great learning experience. 2020-06-24T01:11:22Z Comment by Frank Hegland Defining feminism this way is like defining socialism as «a belief that economic exploitation is wrong and ought to be opposed». Even though many socialists would define it that way I doubt Trent Horn would accept that definition. 2020-05-27T20:07:04Z Comment by tanya mashonga This is just a debate between The long teaching of the church and doctrine vs Trent's thoughts and how he feels about it 2020-05-03T23:12:29Z Comment by JacintaMarto20 Saints do sin!!! Pope John Paul II appointed McCarrick a Cardinal, as well as Walter Kaspar. He also allowed altar girls. Get over it folks! Only Jesus and His Mother were sinless. 2020-02-17T22:26:49Z Comment by BornAgainRN At the one hour 28 minute mark, Trent is addressing that since women did not work outside of the home prior to the 19th century due to necessity, this is whyYou don’t find previous documents addressing the necessity of women having to work outside of the home, and why you then find later documents addressing this as the need arose, While still being faithful to those previous written documents that did not address it, because the need was not they are back then. I also have to give Trent an incredible amount of credit, since Tim Gordon kept interrupting him, not letting him finish his thoughts, And wanting to dominate the conversation. That’s not how dialogues and Debates work Tim. 2020-01-07T17:55:58Z Comment by Vince McKenzie Trent’s word games were getting old in the first fifteen minutes. Bottom line with Trent is the same as with any other modernist: they have the presupposition that this modern practice (women seeking careers) is good... 2019-12-01T01:37:53Z Comment by David McIntyre Wow Trent you really don't understand what abbrogated means. 2019-11-14T16:23:36Z Comment by User 124705293 A great discussion to be had by Catholics. Tim Gordon mentions some great points. It feels like Trent Horn is brushing aside much Catholic history on this topic. Its a long discussion and I'll wait to say more after I hear the last 20 minutes of it. I have no issues with a somewhat combative debate. 2019-11-06T19:15:31Z Comment by ML Antero I think they are probably equivocating on the term "doctrine". 2019-11-05T14:06:50Z Comment by Patricia Koenig Tim Gordon is so stupid he does not know that catechisms are not infallible documents. The Catechism of Trent reflected the customs of the time; NOT an infallible dogma of the Catholic Church. Tim Gordon is such a conceited idiot, he even called St. Gianna Molla MD a SINNER! Gordon is so preoccupied by his resentment against two income families that he even insults canonized saints! Gordon has ego problems. 2019-11-02T03:04:16Z Comment by Patricia Koenig A wife loving her home and loving to be at home is perfectly compatible with a wife/mother having a career. Example: when I had a career, I loved being at home. Gordon misinterprets and misapplies the Catechism of Trent. 2019-11-02T02:01:48Z Comment by Patricia Koenig Trent, you were very patient with the rude and arrogant Tim Gordon. Gordon has a fixation on against women. Gordon ignores husbands' obligations...and only fixates on wives...as if he himself was a woman! 2019-11-01T23:39:47Z Comment by Sandra Nelly The problem is that Trent is placing his "opinion" over the catechism or the teachings of the Popes/Church. Your opinion Trent is of no relevance to the world. 2019-10-31T16:40:19Z Comment by Catholica Thanks for an interesting show by the way. 2019-10-30T21:05:13Z Comment by Catholica Please do a show unpacking how Catholic doctrines can change - under what conditions and what type of doctrines are changeable. This opens up all kinds of questions that suddenly makes liberal Catholicism look pretty valid. 2019-10-30T21:03:47Z Comment by Patrick H Burning women on pyers? Stoning women? Those were never features of American culture; I thought they were discussing American feminism? Tim needs to listen more closely, as Trent makes all kinds of fallacious arguments. Tim's ego keeps him from better refuting Trent. 2019-10-30T18:12:29Z Comment by Patrick H The Wallgreens comment is obtuse and disingenuous. Trent argues like a Leftist. 2019-10-30T14:26:00Z Comment by lua wow, i don't mean to be rude, but this timothy guy is quite annoying 2019-10-30T11:32:13Z Comment by Eleazar You two need a more precise disputation to Debate, rather than a general question to Dialogue; found this very enjoyable you two. 2019-10-30T03:11:21Z Comment by Eleazar I don't suspect that something fruitful cannot come from Trent's inquiry into the character of sin; it certainly COULD be a sin because it's possible that if the woman does choose as such without it being necessary, it could neglect the duty of motherhood, or violate the duty of a wife; I like how Trent keeps digging though, but I think Tim is mostly right; A formal debate would be a better context to this 2019-10-30T02:54:55Z Comment by Eleazar But is it a doctrine of the Church that man has to love his wife? Yes it is. He's supposed to love her as Christ loves the Church; that's a teaching of the Church on a man's place in the sacrament in marriage. It's not merely a prudential judgment. If he doesn't love his wife, its "intolerable". If the shoe fits wear it. 2019-10-30T01:55:59Z Comment by Eleazar Defense for feminism is nothing but a strawman argument, which forbids the graciousness of a benevolent patriarch by strawmanning a man with a tyrannical overlord, then using rhetoric to suggest because of tyrannical overlords we ought, as if the common good, legislate the establishment of status with all the material benefits and priveleges which the supposed tyrant has at his disposal. Its all utterly based on a failure to distinguish natural right from positive right; how could 'men' (not their person but their legal fiction status as decided via positive law) confer the 'natural rights' to 'woman' if indeed she had those natural rights by nature? He can't; its a strawman based on secular humanism; the man is a 'man' if he has a positive law status of 'man' and if the woman does not have equality then its inequitable, whereby 'men' ought confer on her an equal status and all the supposed benefits and priveleges thereof. Its self-righteous presumption. 2019-10-30T01:53:37Z Comment by Eleazar Women were legal persons because a legal person is founded not on the doctrine of coverture as you suggest, but on the doctrine of legal fiction; for she was a legal person before she married, otherwise it would be impossible for her to legally marry. 2019-10-30T01:32:55Z Comment by Eleazar Trent, If Feminism is a House Divided, then it cannot stand. Why stand with Feminism? 2019-10-30T01:27:36Z Comment by Adewole This guy is so smug it's painful. 2019-10-29T15:20:01Z Comment by Daniel ward trent horn is awesome guy for dealing with this insufferable guy 2019-10-29T06:37:51Z Comment by Heather Johnson I am a female and I 100% agree that feminism is EVIL! 2019-10-29T01:09:08Z
