#73 — Forbidden Knowledge by Waking Up with Sam Harris published on 2017-04-23T06:33:32Z In this episode of the Waking Up podcast, Sam Harris speaks with Charles Murray about the controversy over his book "The Bell Curve," the validity and significance of IQ as a measure of intelligence, the problem of social stratification, the rise of Trump, universal basic income, and other topics. You can support the Waking Up podcast at samharris.org/support. Comment by Arcadian Audio Nutrition is NOT "where it needs to be now." Why do you think it is? Nutrition still has a LONG way to go before it hits ceiling. 2017/04/24 17:48:58 +0000 Comment by Rio Rio Nothing is going to happen to those students, Snoflake U! 2017/04/24 17:10:40 +0000 Comment by Suspect I had seen his book quoted in a hyper racist 4chan tread once and this was my only knowledge ether him or his book. He is possibly the most rational conservative I've ever encountered. Thank you for having him on. 2017/04/24 13:45:04 +0000 Comment by Atticus Finch Judith related to Sam? 2017/04/24 12:58:37 +0000 Comment by M.Rez @duncan-driessen: I agree. 2017/04/24 12:32:35 +0000 Comment by Black Bellamy @duncan-driessen: I agree. Data is data. The truth is the truth. Sometimes the truth sucks and the truth hurts; it's up to us to overcome what sucks and ameliorate (or prevent) what hurts. 2017/04/24 09:52:54 +0000 Comment by Duncan Driessen @mmrez: You can debate the nature v nurture argument all you want - but everything points to a mix. Ignoring this is simply bad practise in favor of politically correctness. Evolutionairy group strategies are (often) based on kin recognition for instance. Ignoring this will yield bad policies. 2017/04/24 09:46:37 +0000 Comment by Duncan Driessen @blackbellamy: IQ is mainly useful as a predictor. This whole notion of 'evil data' is so orwellian. I'm amazed with the spread of this anti data cancer, driven by antipositivist ideologues, swallowed hook line and sinker by self proclaimed skeptics and intelelctuals. 2017/04/24 09:39:19 +0000 Comment by User 938720590 extremely interesting conversation. glad we have intellectual warriors like these guys battling the fascists. 2017/04/24 08:22:03 +0000 Comment by Roger This is going to be an amazing podcast 2017/04/23 19:09:05 +0000 Comment by HipHop Gde I knew he was going to say Christopher Hitchens :) I miss that guy. 2017/04/23 18:03:53 +0000 Comment by HipHop Gde 1:22:06 - he already answered Sam, a kid might have a much more successful career if he studies at a different college rather than MIT 2017/04/23 17:29:49 +0000 Comment by HipHop Gde Interesting. 2017/04/23 16:17:59 +0000 Comment by M.Rez @varangian-464660518: I do agree with you on the part that this is not fuel for mainstream political debates, but this is science and we can learn a lot from this. One thing I like to see is how much ideas compare to our genes when it comes to our features e.g. globalistics vs. nationalistics. I would expect ideas make genes irrelevant, but knowing this is very valuable even though I do not see genes as important as mindset of the person. 2017/04/23 15:06:53 +0000 Comment by M.Rez I understand it can be hard, but I wish you had references as far as you can on the very strong claims in here so that for some of us not directly involved in the field, we can go and have a fun read about them. 2017/04/23 14:55:15 +0000 Comment by paxomatic Thanks for the discussion. It feels balanced and non-racial and non-sexist to me. I am particularly intrigued by significance being given to IQ over race over sex. 2017/04/23 12:02:11 +0000 Comment by Black Bellamy @varangian-464660518: Sam did mention early on that these findings are not useful in determining an individual's IQ at all, as the variation from one individual to another is greater than the variation between study groups. This is just information. It could cause current rifts to widen, sure. It also opens the discussion as to how we could overcome these setbacks, does it not? I don't think it's fair to prejudge this information as having only a negative impact. 2017/04/23 11:27:33 +0000 Comment by Varangian Not that I can dispute anything, but I would doubt the social benefit of knowledge like this. As far as I can see, it will only cause the social rifts between people to widen. 2017/04/23 11:06:51 +0000
