Season 4 Episode 08 – Amb. Santiago Wills, Permanent Representative of Colombia to the World Trade Organization (WTO).
I was thrilled to talk to Ambassador Wills and had been looking forward to this conversation for a long time. But unfortunately, he has been very busy with the Fisheries Subsidies negotiation at the WTO pretty much since he arrived in Geneva as Ambassador. Still, after the successful outcome during last month’s 12th Ministerial Conference, I thought it would be an excellent opportunity to hear directly from him how he experienced the negotiations in the hours leading to the historical outcome.
During our conversation, he shared insight into how the negotiations developed during crunch time. But before that, we talked about his career and interest in music, which almost took him down a different path. Nevertheless, music remains important to him, and we discuss how it was likely helpful in his negotiation approach.
He also talks about his first encounter with International Trade Law and Policy, which was in the form of the John H. Jackson Moot Court competition, which had a different name at the time. But, it didn’t matter, and his team won. From then on, he was hooked.
We talked about many other things, even briefly about rockstars and Mick Jagger.
Our conversation was insightful but fun. Ambassador Wills is a class act, and I want to thank him for his generosity. Plenty of other topics were covered off the mic, but perhaps it is an excuse to do a second part!
In the meantime, I am convinced you will enjoy this one. So do yourself a favor and listen to this conversation!
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