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  • Shirtless!
    Shirtless! (Moderator) on June 08, 2012 13:51

    @The Sleepovers: No Problem! Your first songs were before we had a set of rules. Since the set of rules we've been dissaproving a lot:-). Thanks for sharing!

  • The Sleepovers
    The Sleepovers on June 06, 2012 02:25

    Hey guys,
    I feel terrible having not read this earlier. I'll pull two of my songs off. My apologies, for over populating this group.

    j

  • Flat Ed
    Flat Ed on May 29, 2012 09:39

    @the-stun-run-throughs: Well, it depends what you want to protect your music from. You are entitled to your rights anyway as a creator. If somebody is using your music without your consent, or is stealing the melody line, if you are under a publishing contract or not you will still have to go to court and prove your anteriority. There are no ways to "protect" your music, it's a misconception spread amongst music communities. With the sort of music we're doing, there is very little chance that your music might get "stolen", it's more common in "pop", where there is (not so much these days) money to be made. Remember "my sweet lord"?
    Having a publishing deal (don't know how it works in Holland, I think you have a similar company as our French Sacem, the Buma/stemra) is only useful to collect your broadcast rights, like radio,TV, adverts etc...
    As good as anything, to legally advise people on your music rights, you have Creative common Licenses, it's available on soundcloud, you can chose various parameter, and the degree of rights you grant to the public...
    Really, don't be worried about having your music stolen, use the internet to promote your music, expand your possibilities.
    Selling albums now? Million sellers now struggle to sell albums, it is a hopeless market, on the other hand the stun run throughs can secure a deal with a little label like Burger records, and sell to a niche market 500 vinyl LPs and 1000 tapes... And the only way to make a little money nowadays, is to tour and tour extensively, not selling records !

  • WJLP
    WJLP on May 29, 2012 08:48

    @the-stun-run-throughs:

    Agreed on all points.

  • Shirtless!
    Shirtless! (Moderator) on May 28, 2012 13:41

    @Flat Ed: Sorry for the late response! Not making our tracks available for download is because it simply feels safer not to. And yes, eventually we would like to sell some albums. What kinds of possibilities do you guys use to protect your music (rights)? Or what advice do you have concerning this topic?

  • Shirtless!
    Shirtless! (Moderator) on May 28, 2012 13:32

    THE INNER CIRCLE GUIDELINES

    0. The one that submits the track can make a comment at 0.00 about his question marks
    1. A track will only be approved when it is max one month old (upload time) or when guideline 0. is applied
    2. The moderators use their own judgement to accept a new track from a new member (Based on the persons comments and SC activity)
    3. In case of a bad judgement call, future contributions will be blocked
    4. In case of a difficult judgement call, send a PM or a group msg for a discussion
    5. In case of bad moderatorship, a moderator can always be degraded
    6. There will be three moderators, unless we feel that adding one can make a difference
    7. On the account of group size: let`s see how it develops before we start limiting
    8. 2 tracks can be submitted every month

  • Phil McWalter
    Phil McWalter (Moderator) on May 24, 2012 23:51

    Well that got the ball rolling!

  • Vs. The Troll
    Vs. The Troll on May 24, 2012 23:06

    0. The one that submits the track should make a comment at 0.00 about his question marks **Do we agree?**
    I think it doesn't matter unless the songwritter has a particular question or concern

    1. A track will only be approved when it is max one month old **Do we agree?**
    Yes, sounds good for me

    2. The moderators use their own judgement to accept a new track from a new member (Based on the persons comments and SC activity) **Do we agree?**
    Yes.
    3. In case of a bad judgement call, future contributions will be blocked **Do we agree?**
    Yes
    4. In case of a difficult judgement call, send a PM or a group msg for a discussion **Do we agree?**
    Yes and talk to their mother
    5. In case of bad moderatorship, a moderator can always be degraded **Do we agree?**
    Yes, and did someone say hang?
    6. There will be three moderators, unless we feel that adding one can make a difference **Do we agree?**
    Fine, Yes
    7. On the account of group size: let`s see how it develops before we start limiting **Do we agree?**.
    Yes

    I also agree with the one track or two track limit. Too many tracks takes away from focusing one particular artist, especially guys like me who would love to listen to all the music and comment, but don't have alot of time. Plus you can hit play on this group and hear a good mix of songs. This group is a good idea, because we all enjoy music and communicating with other artists. If we like what we hear, we will explore more of each members tunes and have a nice little soundcloud friendship across the globe.
    I will promise to get to every track, but it will be difficult to get to everyone if there are two many songs by each artist.

    -Jason

  • Flat Ed
    Flat Ed on May 24, 2012 18:37

    0. The one that submits the track should make a comment at 0.00 about his question marks **Do we agree?**
    Yes, I think uploading tracks "in progress" really should be the norm in this group or tracks you are struggling with...
    1. A track will only be approved when it is max one month old **Do we agree?**
    Do you mean one month old "upload time"?
    2. The moderators use their own judgement to accept a new track from a new member (Based on the persons comments and SC activity) **Do we agree?**
    Yes we might be able to trust them...
    3. In case of a bad judgement call, future contributions will be blocked **Do we agree?**
    Yes, there are too many tracks already, can't seem to get on top of things already!!!
    4. In case of a difficult judgement call, send a PM or a group msg for a discussion **Do we agree?**
    ok
    5. In case of bad moderatorship, a moderator can always be degraded **Do we agree?**
    And... let's hang him
    6. There will be three moderators, unless we feel that adding one can make a difference **Do we agree?**
    yup
    7. On the account of group size: let`s see how it develops before we start limiting **Do we agree?**
    Although I think I agree we should limit to one or two tracks per user, so we can focus on fewer tracks, don't you think?

  • Shirtless!
    Shirtless! (Moderator) on May 24, 2012 17:51

    @WJLP: Yes I agree there should be a set of principles. But rules like being obliged to write 25 constructive words per comment would be insane. I think if the proposed principles are followed, we already prevent this becoming a fruity loop dubstep awesomeness group. However, you do mention a few rules that would benefit the group, thnx for that! On the account of the 26 tracks in this group, I think it is a descent number to start with, instead of waiting for a new song of one of the 18 members. However, I agree that we should put a hold on the expansion of the songs (Unless its from a member that hasnt uploaded yet). I also want to note that I cant reject anyone to join this group. The only power the moderators have is accepting a track or not. I also changed the group name already.

    Williams thoughts:
    1) I think we should allow one track per member each month or so, and let the members concentrate on those tracks.
    (This rule will be followed if tracks are only accepted when they are 1 month old max, think that would be a better rule to control)

    2) It should be original work, no covers
    (here I do not agree, a starting musician that makes covers could use a lot of advice concerning the production etc.)

    3) The track should be a new release, not six months old.
    (Yes agree! But substitute the first rule with this one, the situation will become way more workable this way==&rt; change it in: the track can be 1 month old max, solves the problem of posting to much songs!)

    4) Maybe the one that submits the song should state why or where he or she thinks it's not a millionseller, because that way it's easier to help. Everyone I know is insecure about their tracks, and so am I.
    (I like this one! But by creating a self-comment or by mentioning it in the discussion?)

    5) Make sure that members are active and listen to those tracks and leave useful comments. (If the guidelines are followed, the moderators do this already! Moreover, every SC-er can freely join this group, there are no possibilities of blocking anyone. The only power we have is accepting their songs or not==&rt; so we can`t kick him out, but we can reject his songs)

    THE INNER CIRCLE GUIDELINES (Please add by leaving your thoughts about new guidelines or changing the current ones!!)

    In random order:

    0. The one that submits the track should make a comment at 0.00 about his question marks **Do we agree?**
    1. A track will only be approved when it is max one month old **Do we agree?**
    2. The moderators use their own judgement to accept a new track from a new member (Based on the persons comments and SC activity) **Do we agree?**
    3. In case of a bad judgement call, future contributions will be blocked **Do we agree?**
    4. In case of a difficult judgement call, send a PM or a group msg for a discussion **Do we agree?**
    5. In case of bad moderatorship, a moderator can always be degraded **Do we agree?**
    6. There will be three moderators, unless we feel that adding one can make a difference **Do we agree?**
    7. On the account of group size: let`s see how it develops before we start limiting **Do we agree?**

    Greetings

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