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In 2005 I played bass in a project called Loser. we signed to Island/ Def-Jam and made one full length record. The band featured John 5 from Marilyn Manson / Zombie, Joe Grah of South of Earth and Jibe, and Glen Crain from The Feds / Godhead. The band split up before the release of this record, but we did tour in promotion of it.